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11/07/2009 5:06:58 p.m.

kathleen

Posts 221 		We all read the conditions before we signed up. Yes, I for one would like to see the photographer earn more than we do, but, I agreed to what they are paying when I signed up, our choice. If you do have photos that are good money earners, then you don’t put them on MCB.

Here I do feel where MCB will miss out to some degree, is on images from some of our great NZ photographers that could add some awesome images to the site and really help make MCB a name and place to go for NZ images on everyone’s lips on the world wide web stock libraries listings.
I have spoke with a couple professional photographers themselves, they would not join MCB because of not getting at the very least 50%, and also their images only allowed to be exclusive to MCB. They know their images can bring them some big money and they are not prepared to receive very little for their work or tie their images up to being exclusive unless they are paid well for that right. Again, individual choice of where we sell our images.

I would like to say though, that we do have some fantastic photographers and images on our MCB site, and it’s up to us to have those images that are going to make the site really really hum to the max out there and get talked about. I’m sure the MCB team want the same for their site and will be working endlessly to make it happen. If we agreed to sales %’s paid and signed up, then we all get in there beside the team and make it work for us.

Kathleen.
11/07/2009 5:48:30 p.m.

Pixelated

Posts 107 		You are quite right Kathleen of course. I wouldn't have signed up with MCB if I didn't agree to the terms etc. plus I really think MCB is great and I still feel we're not getting such a bad deal. It is unfortunate and saddens me to see images being used from microstock sites, where the photographer is lucky to get 50cents for its use and the client has paid no more than 1 or 2 dollars for. Compare that to MCB and what are we complaining about when it comes to getting paid?
And yes, I'd love to see things change for the better so we can get paid more, but sadly I think it will go the other way. The microstock industry is driving the market down. My reasons for both joining and promoting MCB is that it is a good compromise for clients who are increasingly leaving the expensive stock sites and looking at microstock.
My reason for joining MCB? It IS becoming harder to sell stock on traditional stock sites and my images are worth more than 50cents. MCB is a great idea for the 'middle ground' and I wonder if the whole stock industry will eventually find a more level playing field in future.

Those are my thoughts and opinions on the industry, based on my experience and knowledge. Remember I see both sides. I am a graphic designer in the print industry (for many years), but I am also a photographer (More fine arts than stock I must admit). I am not young and have seen huge changes in both fields...
11/07/2009 7:14:14 p.m.

Canon_S.I.

Posts 283 		I have had the good fortune of being excited by a phone call from the chillys quite recently really,only to be extinguished later because the client found a better angle of a similar shot,the call was about selling all rights for a particular image and would've been in the 4 figured bracket had it gone through,looking forward to the next call though :-)
11/07/2009 7:46:00 p.m.

Pixelated

Posts 107 		Definitely nice to get calls like that!
12/07/2009 10:44:31 a.m.

Mel

Posts 166 		Hi MCB Photographers

We apologise for the delay in responding to this forum!

For all non-GST registered photographers you are correct, an alteration to your earnings has occurred. Our accounting team recently brought to our attention a glitch in our automated invoicing and payment calculations. As a result of the glitch non-GST registered photographers have been paid a GST component in addition to their earnings.

So moving forward your payments and invoice will be the correct amount (without the GST component if you are not GST registered).

We apologise for you not receiving our communication prior to the change, the notification is going out tomorrow (Monday 13th) however our web team managed to complete the changes earlier than expected.

As this is a mistake in the mcb automated invoicing system we will not be asking for the GST components to be returned to mcb.

We are happy to answer any queries on this, please email us directly at [email protected]. The team will be back on board tomorrow to answer any queries.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend,
Kind regards
Mel & Rosie
edited by Mel on 13/07/2009
12/07/2009 6:51:14 p.m.

Pixelated

Posts 107 		Thanks Mel, no problems (for me anyway), it was just very puzzling initially but we got an inkling when Tom mentioned GST.
13/07/2009 11:25:31 a.m.

kathleen

Posts 221
Mel wrote:

Hi MCB Photographers

We apologise for the delay in responding to this forum!

For all non-GST registered photographers you are correct, an alteration to your earnings has occurred. Our accounting team recently brought to our attention a glitch in our automated invoicing and payment calculations. As a result of the glitch non-GST registered photographers have been paid a GST component in addition to their earnings.

So moving forward your payments and invoice will be the correct amount (without the GST component if you are not GST registered).

We apologise for you not receiving our communication prior to the change, the notification is going out tomorrow (Monday 13th) however our web team managed to complete the changes earlier than expected.

As this is a mistake in the mcb automated invoicing system we will not be asking for the GST components to be returned to mcb.

We are happy to answer any queries on this, please email us directly at [email protected]. The team will be back on board tomorrow to answer any queries.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend,
Kind regards
Mel & Rosie
edited by Mel on 13/07/2009


Hi Mel & Rosie.
You should be advertising then that your prices are $25.00 + GST, $50.00 + GST, etc, to the clients. There is nothing saying GST is included in these prices. Therefore us photographers have taken our 35% is on the advertised prices to the buyer as on your home page.
Do you not think it should now be that the buyer pays + GST on these prices instead of taking the GST of what the photographers have been receiving as advertised, thats what normally happens when you are GST registered, you pay plus GST, so then you can claim back.
I cannot find anywhere that says GST is included in the $25.00, $50.00, $75.00, $100.00, and $125.00 prices on the site. So when we signed the agreement as photographers, we believed our 35% was on these prices.
I for one am guilty at not looking at my invoices and had not picked up on it till you mentioned it, now I see what the auto invoicing is doing.
I would like to see the photographers still receiving our % on the advertised prices and plus GST added instead of included.

Sincerely,
Kathleen.
13/07/2009 1:24:02 p.m.

Mel

Posts 166 		Hi Kathleen

Thanks for your comments. Its good to have a open forum about this as its always good to hear what members are thinking!

In our initial research of image libraries we found that both options were out there in the market place, that is GST inclusive and GST exclusive business models. To make the purchasing experience easier for mychillybin members (your customers) mychillybin operates on a GST inclusive basis.

This is clearly stated on several pages on the site e.g. the Buy Credit page, FAQs - members, FAQs - photographers.

Your comments have raised a good point though, that maybe the GST info should be on the home page. We'll look into this over the next day or so.

Also, good news - have a read of the email sent to you this morning as this will let you know what MCB has offered current photographers as an appreciation of this situation.

Regards
Mel
edited by Mel on 13/07/2009
13/07/2009 2:48:03 p.m.

kathleen

Posts 221 		Hi Mel.
It should be put in the Money you'll make, as this is where I checked out the photographers payments before signing up. I did not think to go into the FAQs to see what my % would be.
I am saying this in a nice positive way also, just incase you thought I was being negitive.

This is what it says in Money you'll make.

For every credit used by a mychillybin member to download your images, you earn cash! 35% of that credit to be exact. One photo can be downloaded heaps of times, so you will receive multiple earnings.
But wait theres more…when a mychillybin member downloads your image under the Enhanced Licence you receive a whopping 40% of the credits used. Enhanced Licences are worth 12 credits, $300NZD.

The more images you have uploaded and accepted, the more likely they’ll be downloaded by our members – and the bigger your paypacket!

Payments
You can check your account balance at any time by logging on, it appears at the top of the screen. For more detailed balance information see your personal profile page. Here you will see the history of your downloaded images. When your account reaches $100 it will automatically be paid into your bank account on the 30th of the month (or there abouts). If your account reaches $100 after the 29th of the month, payment will occur the 30th of the following month. Why $100? So we spend more time making the site better, and less time paying $20 payments. If your account doesn’t reach $100 within six months, you will be paid at six monthly intervals. All funds are paid out in NZ dollars and you can print your invoice from your on-line account.

Thankyou for your reply and thanks for the email. Appreciate you are thinking of your photographers :-)
So on a $25.00 sale for you, less gst of $2.25 is $22.75. 38% paid on $22.75 is $8.64 for the photographer non gst, is that how you are working it?

Sincerely,
Kathleen.
13/07/2009 3:55:09 p.m.

Mel

Posts 166 		Hi Kathleen

The "Money you'll make" section has now been updated - thanks for the suggestion!

Reference to 'gst inclusive' will soon appear on the home page too. That should cover all bases : )

To answer your question: when a large image, for example, is sold the photographer on 35% commission will earn $23.33. The earnings will be higher if your commission rate is higher.

$75.00 - GST ($75/9) = $66.67

35% x $66.67 = $23.33

I hope this helps,
Regards
Mel
13/07/2009 4:25:31 p.m.

kathleen

Posts 221 		Hi Mel.
Thanks for that and sincere apologises, I relised I got my figure wrong on the GST amount on my example for $25.00, so no, it would not make sense.

Thanks for your correct example.
Sincerely and slightly embarrased.
Kathleen.
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