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29/09/2010 8:26:32 p.m.

sizzlingbadger

Posts 42 		Do I really need a property release for this image ? I find that difficult to understand. Stood in a public place taking a photo of a small part of a ship with no markings.
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30/09/2010 1:41:14 p.m.

Karendpics

Posts 69 		I too am wondering about public buildings and places. Are there guidlines somewhere that we can check?
30/09/2010 3:37:37 p.m.

Canon_S.I.

Posts 283 		Some of mychillybins reasoning for not accepting some images is beyond belief,even their reasoning for accepting some images is the same,I have seen some images on here that are clearly blurred but still accepted saying that it's an artistic view blah blah,yet if i have an artistic view point it is quickly discarded into the rubbish bin.Rules for some and rules for others,we need an even playing field.
30/09/2010 4:41:52 p.m.

Karendpics

Posts 69 		I have to agree, that there does seem to be 2 sets of rules. It would be nice if they could be explained. There does appear to be a priority acceptance order too, and things are also a bit slow at being put up as well, not sure of the reasoning, perhaps a review of processes may be in order.
1/10/2010 10:18:16 a.m.

simikiel

Posts 16
KarenD wrote:

I too am wondering about public buildings and places. Are there guidlines somewhere that we can check?


I find it hard to come up with a reason why it should. I mean take a look at the Hot Downloads. There's a photo there which clearly shows the Auckland Sky Tower...I doubt they got property release for that???
1/10/2010 12:46:53 p.m.

Rosie

Posts 157 		Hi everyone,

As all images on mychillybin need to be available for commercial use, we need to air on the side of caution, and ensure we adhere to all copyright restrictions. We have found in the past that some buildings, for example, have their own 'rules' e.g. the Auckland Museum. No commercial photography is permitted of the Museum or Museum grounds unless the photographer has express permission to photograph them.

So there are some grey areas, which as you can imagine keeps the likes of us and photographers, on our toes

With images that have people or private property in them, we review each case by case, our general rule of thumb being "would you recognise yourself/your property if that was you/your property in the image".

As we grow we have found that being recognised has as much to do with setting and surroundings.

As mentioned, there is sometimes a fine line but we do air on the side of caution to protect both the photographers and models/property of others.

With the case of the Navy ship image presented above, with images of Navy property we request permission of use.

We hope this helps

Keep up the great work!

Cheers for now,
The mychillybin team.
2/10/2010 12:33:08 p.m.

Karendpics

Posts 69 		Thanks Rosie. I am still unsure where to get permission of a public building e.g. one situated in a public place with no notice against photographing and selling, or indication as to who owns the building, so where would one get permission to photograph it? Any help would be appreciated.
2/10/2010 9:55:29 p.m.

kathleen

Posts 221 		Hi KarenD.
When I did photos in the Square in Palmerston North of Totem Poles, Town Clock etc, I went to the City Council as they I imagined to be City Council buildings.
They told me I did not need permission or a property release for any public buildings, the city council statues, etc, clock tower etc, are all rated public property they said and we are fine taking photos and don't need a release.
So check with the Town or City Council to see if they are their buildings and if you need a release.
Hope this may have helped.
Kathleen.
3/10/2010 3:05:55 p.m.

Kiwiangel

Posts 101 		I have the same advice as Kathleen. I went to the Council to check on permissions of public buildings, statues, parks, etc. In most cases you will find they are not needed, and it is a quick and simple matter to get that confirmation (I got mine via email). A lot of Councils these days have a website that you can use to find the appropriate person/division to talk to.
3/10/2010 4:45:49 p.m.

kathleen

Posts 221 		What I did do with the local District Council here in Greymouth, I went to the person that could give permission and ask if he would be happy signing a property release for Council Buildings etc that I may take now and in the future.
As I had no dates for any photos, he was more than happy to fill in on the dates bit on the release form, photos taken at any time. So I always have that now to fall back on if mychillybin say I need a property release for a photo that content belongs to the District Council, like the museum, waterfront statues, clock tower, art gallery, womens centre, etc etc.

I don't know how confidential records are when it comes to seeing the Council on who owns the rates on addresses of houses you want to do. They might give you the persons contact address so you can go and see them. Worth inquiry maybe

Kathleen
3/10/2010 5:53:38 p.m.

Kiwiangel

Posts 101 		I used to work for our local Council and generally contact info is not given out. If you can secure a name of the owner then you can try using the electoral roll, internet, and/or phone book to find them, but with lots of rental properties out there results are not guaranteed. It takes a bit of legwork, needs an investment of time and results can be positive if you're fortunate. Asking neighbours or local businesses can help narrow possibilities, too. Local knowledge is great if you're brave enough to approach people. My greatest issus is I am just too shy to ask. I use my husband to make first contact if I can as he is great at chatting to anyone. Big Grin

Most times using the property of someone you know is by far the easiest, but not always exactly the image you want. Door-knocking is the fastest and most accurate way to ascertain ownership and willingness to sign a release. Commercial/big businesses are troublesome for me - like knowing who or what to contact. I had a naval ship image rejected a while back, and I don't even know where to start on securing a release for that or what the likelihood of success would be, so the image went in my 'too hard basket'.

Earthquake damage is a different issue entirely. In my opinion these people don't exactly need photographers approaching them - or worse, tracking them down - and reminding them of what they've been through/lost.
3/10/2010 7:34:18 p.m.

sizzlingbadger

Posts 42 		You do not need a property release for a building if you are stood on public ground when the image is taken. This includes the Auckland Museum. Unfortunately this seems to be misunderstood by many and due to legal worries most image providers like MCB have to be cautious to protect themselves. This will eventually lead to a sad state of affairs like we see in the USA where you have to have permit just to put up a tripod in the city.
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