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29/04/2011 7:52:17 p.m.

Canon_S.I.

Posts 283 		Ok people,time for some facts,the better the gear you have the better your photos will be...without the hassle of spending wasted time in post shop,that is why the pros have the great gear, if they had standard out of the box gear they'd be out of business and we'd all be the same.So people with money that can afford top of the line gear will ALWAYS better the person with lesser equipment,i know they all say it's not the gear you have but how you use it,crap,show me a pro that uses out of the box bodies and lenses! And as for them saying have fun that's partly true,if your into photography your mainly into it for financial gain and to better yourself and compete in your clubs or whatever.It's competition against others that most of us go for and financial gain is a bonus like on MCB and the competitions they occasionally have,occasionally i repeat MCB ,anyway that'll do for now rugbys on,or basketball,or will&kate..mmmm-higlanders i think
8/07/2011 12:58:36 p.m.

sizzlingbadger

Posts 42 		I rarely post but I had to reply - that is complete nonsense !
8/07/2011 5:33:39 p.m.

Canon_S.I.

Posts 283 		Ok Mr sizzlingbadger,prove me wrong!!the main point i was making {almost 3 months ago} is the better your equipment the better your images will be without spending most of my time in postshop,simple.So i challenge you and anyone else too prove me wrong.So don't just chip in saying it's nonsense,add something to prove me wrong.And i will be watching for your reply
9/07/2011 1:37:55 a.m.

kathleen

Posts 221 		Before we start a war here on who has the biggest and best guns should this be phrased a bit different William?
Are you coming from the angle that you have the gear needed in the area of photography that you are in? Like; if you do bird photography, you won't get a good image photographing birds at 500metres away with a wide angle lens, you need the gear of 200mm lens or more? or a photographer that uses studio lighting will not get a good photo in a studio using a camera that does not have a hot-shoe or abililty to set off a slave flash?
The best equipment though won't make them themselves a better photographer with-out the knowledge of what photography is about, they will still need the eye for a good photo and know how to put all the elements like light, composition, depth of field, etc etc together to make a great image.
I do agree that you buy the equipment you need in the area of photography you are in to make your images, but it is actually the photographer that makes or breaks the image. If you get it right and with the right equipment, you are correct, the image can be stunning and a very happy photographer.

Just my two bits worth.
9/07/2011 10:23:29 a.m.

Canon_S.I.

Posts 283 		I am saying that say your starting out in photography and you go to a car race track with your new out of the box camera and lens and expect to get the same quality results as a person with a pro zoom lens f/2.8.For starters the kit lens will probably be only as fast as f/5.6 so your way behind before you get it out of your bag and then if you do manage to get a half decent shot you have to spend ages in photoshop or whatever programme you use to bring your shot up to acceptable standard,whereas with the pro lens it may only take a bit of sharpening to bring it up to standard,so about 5 seconds for the pro lens and about 20 mins for the slower lens.I know about this as i've been there in both situations,thankyou and Amen.
13/07/2011 10:24:06 a.m.

Pixelated

Posts 107 		You have to buy the tools you need for whatever genre of photography you are interested in covering. But they don't necessarily need to be top of the line stuff.

If I bought the same knives Jamie Oliver uses, I too could be world famous and have my own tv cooking show... Big Grin
13/07/2011 10:38:46 p.m.

Canon_S.I.

Posts 283 		Ty Pixelated for adding a humorous comparison,but still the fact remains if jamie oliver had to slice onions useing a average household knife compared to his german steel made knife,would it save him time?yes it would.Correct you can get similar results using inferior products,but in this day and age speed and quality is everything,so the less time we spend in photoshop ect the more we spend in the field,so too speak.Actually,it looks like i come across as a rich person but i'm not,just a hard working person that works hard for what i have,and have a desire to always upgrade my equipment.But that's me ,you others can follow your own wind.Waffling over for today,thanks
14/07/2011 1:57:10 p.m.

Pixelated

Posts 107 		Actually Canon, I do agree with you. It's important to have the right tools for the right job. I'm sure Jamie Oliver started off with ordinary home brand kitchen knives.

As we progress in our chosen field, we 'grow out of' equipment, ie we soon learn its limitations and therefore there is a need to upgrade to tools that do what we want them to.

My tongue in cheek reference was sparked off by knowing someone who bought top of the line gear first up, put himself out there as 'pro' because of the gear, but unfortunately would have had the same results had he used a cheap point and shoot... he does everything in 'auto' mode and doesn't know how to compose a shot to save himself.

Whilst the tools are necessary, it certainly isn't the only thing that's required to make a good photographer...

Just adding my piffle to your waffle. :P
15/07/2011 2:00:08 p.m.

sizzlingbadger

Posts 42 		Define a better image, cameras are not creative no matter what they cost.
15/07/2011 2:04:02 p.m.

sizzlingbadger

Posts 42 		Better tools can save you time but they don't make you a better photographer as you allured to in your original post.
16/07/2011 8:31:50 p.m.

Andie

Posts 16 		Ah well. Let's not discourage those who aren't in a position to buy top of the range gears. I have what I can afford, and I get on by with that. I'd rather be happy with that and put my efforts into learning more about the art of taking a good photo than be P'd off about not having the big bucks to spare for flash gear (that yes, would help me take a better shot, but why sweat it?).
17/07/2011 12:02:50 p.m.

Pixelated

Posts 107 		Absolutely Andie! I don't have top gear either, and I can't see the sense in buying top gear and not knowing your craft. As you progress in your craft you may find the need for a piece of gear to suit the photography genre you're interested in, but these are tools and having them doesn't make you an instant photographic artist.

It is important to have the right tools for the right job, and this I agree with. But what is the right tool for you? Which piece of gear do you find essential? Everyone is different, so what one person finds is necessary for their craft isn't what you need.

Far better to work on your own vision, and practice and learn what you can about composition, light, and developing your eye.

"Gear is great, but vision is better" (quote by David duChemin)
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